Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
- Subject: Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
- From: David Sanchez <email@hidden>
- Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:33:34 -0400
The tools will be here for a while. What I recommend is, do some
pet-project with Apple tools. After you gain some familiarity and
understand the basic concepts, fully move to WOLips. For example, I
use WOLips but I still use the old WO Builder and EOModeler. You
have time to make a smooth transition - use it wisely!
Thank you. I will follow your advice until Apple says something. I
think it is the best path to take.
I am not yet completely comfortable with Eclipse plugins
distribution scheme. I would really prefer a package to install
everything I need. It does not seem like a Macintosh way of
installing things.
People talked about it some days ago. I did not follow the
discussion because I was in Las Vegas! :) But creating some easy
stuff for newbies (install packages, screen casts, etc) is on the
minds of the community.
It would really help.
And, some people commented about IntelliJ/IDEA... ¿Is it better
than the Eclipse for WO?
That's one of those discussions... :) Eclipse has a very strong
point: WOLips only works under Eclipse.
That's a little arguable. I think. Documentation still talks about
Project Builder and such, with screenshots and all.
Where? All the docs I have read are updated to 5.3.something, and
has screenshots of the current tools.
Well, I am reading WODesktopApps.pdf (WebObjects Desktop Client
Programming Guide, 304 pages). It says revisited 2005-08-11 (Which is
not long ago, about a year). And they talk about Project Builder.
Never mention XCode.
I download it from here:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/WebObjects-
date.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000440-TP30000436-TP30000592
This is the first time I read this. To be honest, I find that very
interesting.
If it is legal, this could mean a lot for small enterprises, which
do not need an XServe, but can afford a bunch of Macintoshes
(Which now days seem easier to sell). At least, to try the
solutions for a little while before jumping into an XServe.
I would really appreciate if you can tell me how to do it, or
point me in the right direction.
In a nutshell (I'll probably forget something, but...):
1) Edit, as root, the file /System/Library/StartupItems/
WebObjects/WebObjects and change it as you want (it has good
comments on it). Basically you need to launch wotaskd and, if you
want, WOMonitor. All the lines are there, just uncomment the ones
you want to run.
2) Include, in apache config file (/etc/httpd/httpd.conf) the
following configuration file: /System/Library/WebObjects/Adaptors/
Apache/apache.conf. You may need to change some stuff on that file,
I don't remember, but if you are familiar with apache config files,
should be no problem.
3) Reboot (or run SystemStarter and start WebObjects task) and
turn on apache.
4) There's no step four. :) You have a full WO deployment system,
just like on Mac OS X Server.
Very interesting. But I thought that you needed a deployment license
to export the .woa.
At least, that's what I understood.
I usually have all this stuff turned on on my powerbook (except
the WOMonitor) because I develop without direct connect, due to
static content stored on disk. This means that all my requests go
trough apache, just like if the app was deployed.
This is great if you want to go, say, with Mac Minis instead of
xServes. A small company may buy 2 ou 3 mac minis, and a) it's
cheaper than two xServes (you WANT redundancy... right?), b) it's
easier to get - specially in Portugal! - (a mac mini died? Just go
to an apple store and bring a new one), c) at least when compared
to the xServe G5, you could get more horse power for less money
(I'm not so sure with the new intel xServe). Just attach some
firewire RAID box to the mac mini containing the database, so you
can have extra redundancy on the DB (and faster access) and there
you go.
You read my mind on what can be offer to small customers. Especially
since I am in Latin America and Apple is not even considered in small
to medium companies outside the "Artist's circles". Even, designers,
newspapers, magazines and such that are willing to implement Apple
technologies (and have the resources) do not know how to, and end up
with extremely expensive Oracle and Microsoft Windows Servers to run
the business that is created and done with Apple machines (making the
papers, video production, etc. ).
Even, a rack of XServes is dirty cheap when compared to just the
Oracle software and licensees. Besides all the support you need to
make them work, and the machines you need to buy.
That's why I got interested in WO, since it seems to offer pretty
much what JDeveloper/ADF does, easier to implement and smaller fees.
It could be made to work, but if Apple kills it, imagine my
frustration learning WO.
David _______________________________________________
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