Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
- Subject: Re: Looks like ThinkSecret got some of the scoop on WO from WWDC'06
- From: David Sanchez <email@hidden>
- Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2006 09:56:22 -0400
Hi!
Thank you for your support,
I have always thought specific Java clients can be solution for local
networks. It is very sad to see lack of support for it, especially
since it seems an excellent products. However, Apple seems to be
quite annoying about WO.
Your experience makes me wondering about where WO is heading. Again.
It is totally possible to develop local networks solutions using web
browsers, and it seems the world is accepting them better these days.
I do not know if Apple wants to focus completely on it. They should
make an statement.
I still think that D2JC has to be supported, as well as documentation
updated. It is very important to keep options if Apple wants to take
inroads into enterprise markets, and I think Apple wants. Only
support for web pages may not suit all enterprise markets and web
hosting of Java based apps is more expensive, so WO is in disadvantage.
I am just learning WO. I have found excellent things, but I have also
find terrible shortcomings, especially documentation and the
sensation people do not know what Apple is up to.
I hope forward to help the community as best as I can.
Thank you,
David
On Aug 28, 2006, at 9:29 AM, David Avendasora wrote:
Hi David,
Welcome to the bastard child of WO. Java Client.
Here's what I've found so far: Java Client is REALLY cool.
Especially the Direct to Java Client starting point.
I'm in the middle of building a D2JC project and while there are
some short-comings, I have actually deployed a 1.0 version of my
application without writing a single line of Java. No custom
classes. With that said, it simply does CRUD functions, but it has
allowed me to refine my data and object models substantially with
little additional work. I can simply add a table to the DB, add it
to the EOModel and redeploy and the new interface for that table is
built automatically. All I have to do is tweak the app using the
Assistant and it's done.
The big problem is that nobody else uses it. You ask a question
regarding client-side classes and you either get no response or
somebody tells you to move your code to the server-side class, even
when you are simply setting a default or other View-type code. If
you are building a web application then there is lots of people out
there willing to help, and usually it is VERY responsive. Not so
with Java Client development.
The Apple documentation hasn't been updated, half the examples
don't even work. I'm new to Java as well as WO so I don't know if
it is me or WO that is at fault, and no one else seems to be able
to tell me either. I've been stumbling around for almost a year on-
and-off on D2JC and I have learned a LOT about EOModeler',
RuleEditor's and Assistant's short-comings and bugs most of which
can be pretty easily worked around, but I had no one there to fill
me in on the problems to start with.
If I can't make it past my current issue (simply setting a default
value for a attribute on the client) then I'm going to throw away
D2JC and move to either D2W or simply a web application. I'll still
use WO as the foundation, but a total lack of support of Java
Client is just too hard to work under for a newbie as myself.
I'd be happy to help in anyway I can if you have questions on Java
Client. There's very few of us out there using it.
On Aug 26, 2006, at 12:33 PM, David Sanchez wrote:
Where? All the docs I have read are updated to 5.3.something,
and has screenshots of the current tools.
Well, I am reading WODesktopApps.pdf (WebObjects Desktop Client
Programming Guide, 304 pages). It says revisited 2005-08-11 (Which
is not long ago, about a year). And they talk about Project
Builder. Never mention XCode.
I download it from here:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/DeveloperTools/WebObjects-
date.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP30000440-TP30000436-TP30000592
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